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	<title>Rants and Revelations &#187; Nav Data</title>
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		<title>Darn it!</title>
		<link>http://blog.xcski.com/2007/08/25/darn-it</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tomblin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Some years ago I got a set of Shape Files (much as I hated ESRI at the time, they did beat us (GeoVision) fair and square with an inferior product and superior marketing) for the provincial and territorial boundaries of Canada and wrote a short little C program to do a &#8220;point in polygon&#8221; to [...]<div class="tantan-getcomments"><a href="http://blog.xcski.com/2007/08/25/darn-it#comments"><img src="http://blog.xcski.com/wp-content/plugins/tantan/get-comments.php?p=1159" width="100" height="15" style="border:0;" /></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago I got a set of Shape Files (much as I hated ESRI at the time, they did beat us (GeoVision) fair and square with an inferior product and superior marketing) for the provincial and territorial boundaries of Canada and wrote a short little C program to do a &#8220;point in polygon&#8221; to determine what province a particular point is in.  It&#8217;s set up so that it parses the shapes, then sits there waiting for a lat/long pairs to come over a pipe and writes the province code back over the pipe.  I write a special lat/long pair (-999/-999) when I want it to exit.  I use it all the time when I&#8217;m loading waypoints.  The program has continued to work while my waypoint generator moved from being hosted at home to a webhost (Gradwell.com) to a virtual private server (Linode) to a colocation box.  Unfortunately, I just discovered that somewhere along the way I lost the source code.  Right now it has a small bug in that when the program that opened the pipe to it dies, it starts consuming all the CPU instead of shutting down.  I can live with that, but it&#8217;s annoying while I&#8217;m doing all this testing with buggy load scripts.  That&#8217;s why I went looking for the source code.</p>
<p>Maybe I should write a new one just in case?</p>
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		<title>Sigh</title>
		<link>http://blog.xcski.com/2007/08/24/sigh-3</link>
		<comments>http://blog.xcski.com/2007/08/24/sigh-3#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tomblin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I made some major changes to the way data gets loaded into my navaid.com waypoint generator database, mostly in the processing of the &#8220;combined user data&#8221;.  Mostly, I wanted to make sure that if &#8220;Bob&#8221; provides me some data on Canadian airfields that includes communications frequencies but no runway data that it doesn&#8217;t wipe [...]<div class="tantan-getcomments"><a href="http://blog.xcski.com/2007/08/24/sigh-3#comments"><img src="http://blog.xcski.com/wp-content/plugins/tantan/get-comments.php?p=1157" width="100" height="15" style="border:0;" /></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made some major changes to the way data gets loaded into my navaid.com waypoint generator database, mostly in the processing of the &#8220;combined user data&#8221;.  Mostly, I wanted to make sure that if &#8220;Bob&#8221; provides me some data on Canadian airfields that includes communications frequencies but no runway data that it doesn&#8217;t wipe out the runway data from the dataset of Ontario airfields that &#8220;Alice&#8221; provided me last year, but only updates the data that has changed in the overlapping part of those two datasets.  Add in the possibility that a waypoint might have changed identifier or been resurveyed so the location has changed a bit, and you can see that there are a lot of possibilities to consider.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, considering all these possibilities is time consuming.  I&#8217;ve been testing these new scripts with a dataset from one person that covers the entire UK and some nearby locations in varying levels of detail, and another that covers Ireland in great detail, but which is unfortunately no longer being updated because the person who provided it moved.  Running both datasets would be an overnight job.  But now that I&#8217;m satisfied with the results of that, I decided it was time to reload the old DAFIF data though these scripts to get the combined user data exactly the way I want it.  But this has caught a couple of bugs in the scripts, one of which only manifested itself after 36 hours or so of running.  That one didn&#8217;t even give me enough information as to why it failed, so I had to add some &#8220;use Carp&#8221; and &#8220;use Data::Dumper&#8221; magic to my scripts and then I re-ran it and found the actual cause after another 36 hour run.  I&#8217;ve been almost continually running load scripts all week.  I&#8217;m hoping this run will be it, but I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>Since my new home box is so fast, I&#8217;m thinking one possibility might be to do the load processing on it, and then just mysqldump it and bring the dump file up to the colo.</p>
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		<title>This looks incredibly promising</title>
		<link>http://blog.xcski.com/2007/08/21/this-looks-incredibly-promising</link>
		<comments>http://blog.xcski.com/2007/08/21/this-looks-incredibly-promising#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tomblin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to a post by Skud, I&#8217;ve discovered Freebase, which is, as Skud described it, &#8220;crack for information nerds&#8221;.  It appears to be exactly what I was hoping to develop or find for my aviation navigation data project - a flexible structured information agregator, almost like a wiki with user definable fields.
You probably can&#8217;t [...]<div class="tantan-getcomments"><a href="http://blog.xcski.com/2007/08/21/this-looks-incredibly-promising#comments"><img src="http://blog.xcski.com/wp-content/plugins/tantan/get-comments.php?p=1153" width="100" height="15" style="border:0;" /></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to a post by <a href="http://infotrope.net/blog/2007/08/19/freebase-crack-for-information-nerds/">Skud</a>, I&#8217;ve discovered <a href="http://www.freebase.com/view/">Freebase</a>, which is, as Skud described it, &#8220;crack for information nerds&#8221;.  It appears to be exactly what I was hoping to develop or find for my aviation navigation data project - a flexible structured information agregator, almost like a wiki with user definable fields.</p>
<p>You probably can&#8217;t see much of it, because right now it&#8217;s in alpha and by invitation only, but so far they&#8217;ve imported all of Wikipedia and added some links between then, and people have written some demo applications.</p>
<p>Like many AJAX applications, it has a tendency to get the dreaded &#8220;a script on this page is running slowly&#8221;, but otherwise it&#8217;s pretty nifty.</p>
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		<title>Wiki currently shut down</title>
		<link>http://blog.xcski.com/2007/06/01/wiki-currently-shut-down</link>
		<comments>http://blog.xcski.com/2007/06/01/wiki-currently-shut-down#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tomblin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[My &#8220;DAFIF Replacement&#8221; Wiki is currently shut down because of a bug that was causing my computer to hit load averages up over 10 every time Google indexed it.  My log files were full of lines like:

[Thu May 31 21:09:21 2007] [error] [client 66.249.72.194] [Thu May 31 21:09:21 2007] view: Use of uninitialized value [...]<div class="tantan-getcomments"><a href="http://blog.xcski.com/2007/06/01/wiki-currently-shut-down#comments"><img src="http://blog.xcski.com/wp-content/plugins/tantan/get-comments.php?p=1090" width="100" height="15" style="border:0;" /></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My &#8220;DAFIF Replacement&#8221; Wiki is currently shut down because of a bug that was causing my computer to hit load averages up over 10 every time Google indexed it.  My log files were full of lines like:<br />
<code><br />
[Thu May 31 21:09:21 2007] [error] [client 66.249.72.194] [Thu May 31 21:09:21 2007] view: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /var/www/twiki/lib/TWiki/Plugins/TablePlugin/Core.pm line 457.<br />
[Thu May 31 21:09:21 2007] [error] [client 66.249.72.194] [Thu May 31 21:09:21 2007] view: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /var/www/twiki/lib/TWiki/Plugins/TablePlugin/Core.pm line 462.<br />
</code></p>
<p>I hope to have time to upgrade to a newer version of TWiki Wiki one of these days and then I&#8217;ll re-open it.  Or possibly I&#8217;ll just let it die since it wasn&#8217;t getting any use anyway.</p>
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		<title>No, that&#8217;s not good either</title>
		<link>http://blog.xcski.com/2007/02/09/no-thats-not-good-either</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tomblin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote about some work I&#8217;ve been doing on the Waypoint Generator in Rants and Revelations » Getting there, still some collateral damage.  In that, I said I wanted to do some more testing.  Well, I did.  I reloaded the entire DAFIF dataset.  The test took 4 straight days to run, [...]<div class="tantan-getcomments"><a href="http://blog.xcski.com/2007/02/09/no-thats-not-good-either#comments"><img src="http://blog.xcski.com/wp-content/plugins/tantan/get-comments.php?p=1002" width="100" height="15" style="border:0;" /></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about some work I&#8217;ve been doing on the Waypoint Generator in <a href="http://blog.xcski.com/2007/01/29/getting-there-still-some-collateral-damage">Rants and Revelations » Getting there, still some collateral damage</a>.  In that, I said I wanted to do some more testing.  Well, I did.  I reloaded the entire DAFIF dataset.  The test took 4 straight days to run, and that&#8217;s not including losing a day or so when my router lost its mind.  And what this test told me is that the new algorithm for eliminating duplicate points is overzealous.<br />
For instance, it classified two Canadian airports, CYEE Midland/Huronia and CNL8 Wyevale/Boker Field, as being the same.  They&#8217;re actually nearly two nautical miles apart.</p>
<p>I was calling points the same if the types matched and they&#8217;re within 0.05 degrees latitude and 0.05 degrees longitude of each other.  Unfortunately that is just about 3 nautical miles in the north/south direction, which this test has shown is too wide a net.</p>
<p>The problem is that I want to spot duplicates when a waypoint changes id, AND when they update the coordinates.  I&#8217;ve seen places where they&#8217;ve updated the coordinates by half a degree, especially in the case of user-entered data.</p>
<p>I think what I&#8217;m going to have to do is trust that the coordinates aren&#8217;t going to change a whole bunch at the same time the id changes.  So what I&#8217;ll do is call something a duplicate if it&#8217;s within 0.05 degrees if the ids match, but within 0.01 degrees if the ids don&#8217;t match.  That&#8217;s less than a nautical mile, and it would be pretty odd to find two airports within a nautical mile of each other.  (A lot less odd to find heliports or reporting points, unfortunately.)</p>
<p>Damn, this means another multi-day test run, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>Jeppesen Responds</title>
		<link>http://blog.xcski.com/2006/08/23/jeppesen-responds</link>
		<comments>http://blog.xcski.com/2006/08/23/jeppesen-responds#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tomblin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[After receiving the email I mentioned in Rants and Revelations » Who’d have thunk it?, I responded with 

I have renamed the part of the Wiki that uses the trademarked word
&#8220;NavData&#8221; to &#8220;DAFIFReplacment&#8221;.  However, I am going to continue to use
the &#8220;/navdata/&#8221; part of the URL as that is a generic term and
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After receiving the email I mentioned in <a href="http://blog.xcski.com/2006/08/23/whod-have-thunk-it">Rants and Revelations » Who’d have thunk it?</a>, I responded with </p>
<blockquote><p>
I have renamed the part of the Wiki that uses the trademarked word<br />
&#8220;NavData&#8221; to &#8220;DAFIFReplacment&#8221;.  However, I am going to continue to use<br />
the &#8220;/navdata/&#8221; part of the URL as that is a generic term and<br />
untrademarkable and changing would break people&#8217;s bookmarks.  You can<br />
have a look at http://xcski.com/navdata/ if you wish.</p>
<p>I hope that meets your requirements.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Evidently their lawyers work nights, or they&#8217;ve outsourced it to India or something, because I got a response at 8:47pm:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Mr. Tomblin,</p>
<p>We appreciate your prompt action and reply to our notice.</p>
<p>While we cannot agree that the navdata term is generic, we understand the<br />
bookmark issue and are satisfied with your action regarding this matter.</p>
<p>John Jaugilas<br />
Jeppesen Intellectual Property<br />
(303) 328-4178
</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Who&#8217;d have thunk it?</title>
		<link>http://blog.xcski.com/2006/08/23/whod-have-thunk-it</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tomblin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it turns out that using the WikiWord &#8220;NavData&#8221; has upset Jeppesen Sanderson because they&#8217;ve got a product with that name, and they&#8217;ve sent me an email telling me to stop using the word or they&#8217;ll start legal action.  I&#8217;m still using the word &#8220;navdata&#8221; because lots of people use it as a generic [...]<div class="tantan-getcomments"><a href="http://blog.xcski.com/2006/08/23/whod-have-thunk-it#comments"><img src="http://blog.xcski.com/wp-content/plugins/tantan/get-comments.php?p=895" width="100" height="15" style="border:0;" /></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it turns out that using the WikiWord &#8220;NavData&#8221; has upset Jeppesen Sanderson because they&#8217;ve got a product with that name, and they&#8217;ve sent me an email telling me to stop using the word or they&#8217;ll start legal action.  I&#8217;m still using the word &#8220;navdata&#8221; because lots of people use it as a generic word meaning &#8220;navigation data&#8221;.  So my Wiki url is still <a href="http://xcski.com/navdata/">http://xcski.com/navdata/</a>, but all deep links you might have are broken.  Replace the word &#8220;NavData&#8221; with &#8220;DAFIFReplacement&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Morning Rant #2: Spam Frustrations</title>
		<link>http://blog.xcski.com/2006/03/19/morning-rant-2-spam-frustrations</link>
		<comments>http://blog.xcski.com/2006/03/19/morning-rant-2-spam-frustrations#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tomblin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a Wiki that I set up to try to stimulate some discussion about some sort of replacement to the DAFIF data that is going away in October.  So far, it&#8217;s been pretty much a bust - nobody has contributed anything in months, nobody has done any of the grunt work like figuring [...]<div class="tantan-getcomments"><a href="http://blog.xcski.com/2006/03/19/morning-rant-2-spam-frustrations#comments"><img src="http://blog.xcski.com/wp-content/plugins/tantan/get-comments.php?p=757" width="100" height="15" style="border:0;" /></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a <a href="http://xcski.com/navdata/">Wiki that I set up</a> to try to stimulate some discussion about some sort of replacement to the DAFIF data that is going away in October.  So far, it&#8217;s been pretty much a bust - nobody has contributed anything in months, nobody has done any of the grunt work like figuring out a database schema or XML schema or even the user interface, and so I&#8217;m thinking of forgetting the whole idea.  I don&#8217;t have the time to do all the work myself, and if nobody else is going to do any, it isn&#8217;t going to get done.  But that&#8217;s not what this rant is about.</p>
<p>This morning, I get a notification from the Wiki software that somebody has edited nearly every single page in the whole damn Wiki.  Needless to say, it was all spam.  It took me nearly two hours of messing around in RCS to get rid of every instance of the spam.  But even worse, is that it turns out that somebody had already inserted the same spam into the navigation bars of the wiki months ago, and I hadn&#8217;t noticed.  So my Wiki is actually showing up quite high in Google searches for certain drugs.  ARGGGH!</p>
<p>Also, a while ago I mentioned that this blog tends to get spam in brief spurts of a few dozen spams over the course of a weekend, and then nothing for weeks at a time.  Well, that seems to have ended - I&#8217;m getting spam every day now.  I knew it was too good to be true.  Fortunately SpamKarma2 is doing a great job of finding it and quarantining it so I don&#8217;t have to continually check.  And it&#8217;s pretty good about not having false positives either - comments that it thinks are borderline spam are given a chance to fill out a captcha and then that comment gets through, and subsequent comments from the same user are given a few positive points.  So I&#8217;m actually relieved that the expected has happened, and it hasn&#8217;t inconvenienced me much.</p>
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		<title>Wiki!</title>
		<link>http://blog.xcski.com/2005/12/06/wiki</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tomblin</dc:creator>
		
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I liked Michael Greb&#8217;s suggestion of trac, it seemed like an awful lot of work to set up, since I don&#8217;t currently use subversion and I have no idea how to set that up.  So I went for an easier solution and installed TWiki.  It seemed easy enough, except for the fact that it&#8217;s got two &#8220;Webs&#8221; devoted mostly to settings, tutorials and the like, Main and TWiki.  It would make more sense to me if all that stuff was in one place and the main Web was free for you to edit as the main purpose of the site. </p>
<p>Maybe if I&#8217;d seen Jen&#8217;s comment earlier I would have tried DokuWiki instead.  It seems to compare favourably if you look on <a href="http://www.wikimatrix.org/">WikiMatrix</a>.</p>
<p>So anyway, the NavData Wiki is now set up <a href="http://xcski.com/navdata/">here</a>.  So far one person has already found it and started to contribute, much to my surprise because it hadn&#8217;t been announced yet.</p>
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		<title>How to do this?</title>
		<link>http://blog.xcski.com/2005/12/02/how-to-do-this</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 02:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tomblin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Update:  I&#8217;ve moved this discussion to the Wiki where Douglas Robertson started a conversation on a few other approaches.
One of the things I&#8217;d really like to do in this project is provide the capability for people to leverage the previous editors, but not allow them to accidentally or on purpose ruin the data.  [...]<div class="tantan-getcomments"><a href="http://blog.xcski.com/2005/12/02/how-to-do-this#comments"><img src="http://blog.xcski.com/wp-content/plugins/tantan/get-comments.php?p=679" width="100" height="15" style="border:0;" /></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update:  I&#8217;ve moved this discussion to <a href="http://xcski.com/navdata/bin/view/DAFIFReplacement/DataIntegrity">the Wiki</a> where Douglas Robertson started a conversation on a few other approaches.</p>
<p>One of the things I&#8217;d really like to do in this project is provide the capability for people to leverage the previous editors, but not allow them to accidentally or on purpose ruin the data.  Thus I don&#8217;t want some random stranger to delete a DAFIF waypoint, or move KJFK to Timbuktu.  So I was thinking that each editor would have a &#8220;dataset&#8221; of their own, but it&#8217;s based on previous datasets.  There would be a heirarchy of datasets, with of course FAA and DAFIF data as the base, then an editor or end user could decide to include or exclude the other datasets based on whether that dataset intersects their area of interest, their perception of the dataset owner&#8217;s credentials, the recency of updates, or other criteria.  Not sure exactly how to accomplish that.  Maybe a rating system or a public comment area where another editor or an end user can say &#8220;Hey, this guy&#8217;s points are really inaccurate&#8221; or the editor himself could say &#8220;I didn&#8217;t type in the lat/longs from a publication, I just took my GPS to the airport fence&#8221;?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want an editor to be able to delete another person&#8217;s waypoint, but I also recognize that waypoints disappear or change names.  So I think there needs to be a way in dataset &#8220;a&#8221; to indicate that waypoint &#8220;FOO&#8221; no longer exists.  That way if you&#8217;re using dataset &#8220;a&#8221;, you won&#8217;t get waypoint &#8220;FOO&#8221;, but if you don&#8217;t trust &#8220;a&#8221; and so exclude it, you&#8217;ll still get &#8220;FOO&#8221;.</p>
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