Comments on: “Anticipated Separation”? I don’t like it. http://blog.xcski.com/2007/09/11/anticipated-separation-i-dont-like-it Everything I used to bore people on newsgroups and mailing lists with, now in one inconvenient place. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:17:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/2007/09/11/anticipated-separation-i-dont-like-it#comment-49814 Paul Tomblin Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:36:50 +0000 http://blog.xcski.com/2007/09/11/anticipated-separation-i-dont-like-it#comment-49814 It was afternoon, probably around 4:30. I don't remember any inbound traffic that would make him want to rush - he'd cleared me to land while I was still 2 miles out, so they probably weren't that busy. I've seen the position and hold turned into a take-off clearance as soon as I clear before, but this was the first time I'd seen this. It was afternoon, probably around 4:30. I don’t remember any inbound traffic that would make him want to rush - he’d cleared me to land while I was still 2 miles out, so they probably weren’t that busy. I’ve seen the position and hold turned into a take-off clearance as soon as I clear before, but this was the first time I’d seen this.

]]> By: Mark http://blog.xcski.com/2007/09/11/anticipated-separation-i-dont-like-it#comment-49811 Mark Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:25:47 +0000 http://blog.xcski.com/2007/09/11/anticipated-separation-i-dont-like-it#comment-49811 Was it busy enough that the controller rushing clearances made sense, or did this seem like a controller who may be preoccupied with something else and simply wanted to turn his attention elsewhere right away? I've had situations where planes have been cleared to "Position and hold" behind me as I was on the rollout, but never cleared for takeoff. Was it busy enough that the controller rushing clearances made sense, or did this seem like a controller who may be preoccupied with something else and simply wanted to turn his attention elsewhere right away?

I’ve had situations where planes have been cleared to “Position and hold” behind me as I was on the rollout, but never cleared for takeoff.

]]> By: David L. http://blog.xcski.com/2007/09/11/anticipated-separation-i-dont-like-it#comment-49117 David L. Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:48:25 +0000 http://blog.xcski.com/2007/09/11/anticipated-separation-i-dont-like-it#comment-49117 Yep, I agree...this "anticipated separation" idea is bogus. Of course, I am really not a fan of the "land and hold short" rules either. I am all about efficiency, but I will never lose sleep declining a hold short clearance if I am not 100% comfortable with the idea. I feel your pain on the local yokels bucking safety for convenience as well. I have been in the same situation, and reacted pretty much the same to someone who wanted to take off opposite the traffic that was still in the pattern. Worse, are the morons that pull out onto the active (even after calling all your turns) while you are on base or final and advises you to "land long." What happens if my engine fails on final, you jerk!? Yep, I agree…this “anticipated separation” idea is bogus. Of course, I am really not a fan of the “land and hold short” rules either. I am all about efficiency, but I will never lose sleep declining a hold short clearance if I am not 100% comfortable with the idea. I feel your pain on the local yokels bucking safety for convenience as well. I have been in the same situation, and reacted pretty much the same to someone who wanted to take off opposite the traffic that was still in the pattern. Worse, are the morons that pull out onto the active (even after calling all your turns) while you are on base or final and advises you to “land long.” What happens if my engine fails on final, you jerk!?

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