Comments on: I’d love to help you, buddy, but I’d prefer to keep my license http://blog.xcski.com/2006/05/12/id-love-to-help-you-buddy-but-id-prefer-to-keep-my-license Everything I used to bore people on newsgroups and mailing lists with, now in one inconvenient place. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:17:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/2006/05/12/id-love-to-help-you-buddy-but-id-prefer-to-keep-my-license#comment-3385 Paul Tomblin Sat, 13 May 2006 12:47:06 +0000 http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/2006/05/12/id-love-to-help-you-buddy-but-id-prefer-to-keep-my-license#comment-3385 JRH, for the full story you'd have to read <a href="http://www.avweb.com/news/avlaw/186346-1.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> but the most relevant parts are: <blockquote> "What if the pilot does collect money from the passengers but only their pro-rata share? FAA legal interpretations have been issued declaring that this arrangement may involve impermissible "compensation or hire." The problem is that a violation can occur if the pilot is getting an economic advantage beyond the sharing, because he is not involved in a trip for a "common purpose."" </blockquote> <blockquote> "If the passengers want to go from point A, to point B, and the pilot is simply the driver or has other interests for making the flight, there is no common purpose. If he takes any compensation or economic benefit for the trip, he may be violating 61.113. The pilot in this example is, in effect, running a charter operation and should comply with FAR 119 &135." </blockquote> The NTSB Administrative Law Judges have been real bastards at times about what constitutes "compensation", ruling several times that a pilot making trips that he didn't get paid for received compensation in the form of building hours. JRH, for the full story you’d have to read this article but the most relevant parts are:

“What if the pilot does collect money from the passengers but only their pro-rata share? FAA legal interpretations have been issued declaring that this arrangement may involve impermissible “compensation or hire.” The problem is that a violation can occur if the pilot is getting an economic advantage beyond the sharing, because he is not involved in a trip for a “common purpose.”"

“If the passengers want to go from point A, to point B, and the pilot is simply the driver or has other interests for making the flight, there is no common purpose. If he takes any compensation or economic benefit for the trip, he may be violating 61.113. The pilot in this example is, in effect, running a charter operation and should comply with FAR 119 &135.”

The NTSB Administrative Law Judges have been real bastards at times about what constitutes “compensation”, ruling several times that a pilot making trips that he didn’t get paid for received compensation in the form of building hours.

]]> By: JRH http://blog.xcski.com/2006/05/12/id-love-to-help-you-buddy-but-id-prefer-to-keep-my-license#comment-3288 JRH Sat, 13 May 2006 02:10:48 +0000 http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/2006/05/12/id-love-to-help-you-buddy-but-id-prefer-to-keep-my-license#comment-3288 Um, OK, why is this an "illegal charter"? It must be obvious to pilots, but to outsiders like me, and that guy, apparently not. JRH Um, OK, why is this an “illegal charter”?

It must be obvious to pilots, but to outsiders like me, and that guy, apparently not.

JRH

]]> By: Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/2006/05/12/id-love-to-help-you-buddy-but-id-prefer-to-keep-my-license#comment-3258 Paul Tomblin Fri, 12 May 2006 22:32:26 +0000 http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/2006/05/12/id-love-to-help-you-buddy-but-id-prefer-to-keep-my-license#comment-3258 Frank, "one" could, and if I weren't going to have the club's only 6-seater somewhere between Illinois and here at that time, I'd probably volunteer. Frank, “one” could, and if I weren’t going to have the club’s only 6-seater somewhere between Illinois and here at that time, I’d probably volunteer.

]]> By: Frank Ch. Eigler http://blog.xcski.com/2006/05/12/id-love-to-help-you-buddy-but-id-prefer-to-keep-my-license#comment-3257 Frank Ch. Eigler Fri, 12 May 2006 22:29:06 +0000 http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/2006/05/12/id-love-to-help-you-buddy-but-id-prefer-to-keep-my-license#comment-3257 If one was in the mood, the cause was good. and good flying were to be had, one might do such trips for free, risking not the license but only ungrateful guests. If one was in the mood, the cause was good. and good flying were to be had, one might do such trips for free, risking not the license but only ungrateful guests.

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